September 19, 2018 at 4:35 pm #12729
I am happy to report that we just released Bootstrap Studio 4.3.2! The highlight in this update is a cool new feature which we call Smart Forms. It is an automatic backend for forms which delivers submissions to your email. To use it, select a form, enable the “Smart Form” setting in the sidebar and choose an email address. All form fields are supported (even file inputs which are delivered as attachments), enabling you to construct contact forms, surveys, application forms and more (a video tutorial is coming soon).
Also in this release we updated the Bootstrap framework to 4.1.3 and fixed a number of bugs that were reported. The next version is going to be 4.3.3 and will focus on the features that we originally planned for 4.3.* series.September 19, 2018 at 10:03 pm #12738
Love this idea Martin! I’ve been using Machform for a number of years and although it’s easy to use once you get around the app and around the idea that it’s an online builder it’s pretty powerful. Would love to just add them in the app though for some clients that don’t need to keep track of things and just want a basic contact form or registration forms etc.
Question: Are the email addresses saved per project or per form? I’ll play with it some more of course to see if I can figure that out, but easier if you enlighten us on some of the finer details of it. The main reason I ask is the 5 email limitation so I’m truly hoping this is per project.
Question: Is it possible to get that 15 minute time limit to enter the verification code for the emails a bit longer? Even 30 minutes or an hour would be great. I ask because I’m almost always using forms for clients, and 15 minutes is sometimes what it takes just for me to get their attention lol. Some I can’t get answers from for a day, but we can work that out if we can get just a bit longer to do so?September 19, 2018 at 10:33 pm #12739
- Will we be able in any way to edit the “from” email to reflect the user’s email entered into the form?
- Will we be able to edit the success message of the form after it’s sent?
- Will we be able to edit the email Subject of the form’s email message?
- Will we be able to edit the Title of the email message?
- Will we be able to (if it isn’t already doing this without our knowing lol) add a setup for sending a success email to the user?
- Will we be able to have more than one form on a site/page?
- Can we turn off or change the footer content that is in the email we receive as the site owner/admin? I don’t tend to tell my clients what software I use unless I have to for the purpose of them continuing updates on their own, so I wouldn’t want that showing to them when they get the emails from their users. Also having the email come from Bulgaria probably isn’t the best thing to show. 🙂
I’m sure there’s many more where that came from, but those are the ones that came to mind when I tested it out.
Most of my clients have multiple forms on their sites, so this setup wouldn’t work at all for them as there’s nothing to differentiate between forms and nothing to tell us what form is what so it’s really not very useful as it sits at the moment.September 20, 2018 at 2:31 am #12740
New Smart Forms feature is awesome and timely. However the new js library doesn’t appear which might explain why file attachment isn’t working for me. Maybe the library appears when I (eventually) publish my website? Also, can the email heading be customised? It’s not so meaningful in an application. Likewise the footer.September 20, 2018 at 3:00 am #12741
Published my half-baked web site and smart-forms.js was included. The file attachment feature still doesn’t work. 🙁
On a positive note, everything else worked sweet.September 20, 2018 at 3:18 am #12742
Further info re file attachment feature in Smart Forms. When “Choose file” button clicked, file finder window appears and selected file (370 bytes) is displayed on browser – all as expected. Email not sent when associated submit button clicked. Neither “Multiple file” nor “Validation required” options are selected.September 20, 2018 at 3:21 am #12743
On Mac OSX 10.10.5 with Chrome Version 68.0.3440.106September 20, 2018 at 7:16 am #12744LarseneMember
Just a small post to thank you again about the bootstrap studio update 😉 I’m really happy to have bought the lifetime licence !
Can I ask if, in the next version, you can made just a small improvement about custom code, as reported in the forum some times : is it possible to automatically open “Edit code” for custom code on double-clic on “Custom code” in the “Overview” left pannel on directly ? This will be a time saver.
I’m really waiting, with some impatience now, the charts.js component, and, more of that, the auto backup feature.
Anyway, thanks for your work 🙂September 20, 2018 at 8:04 am #12746
Can we turn off or change the footer content that is in the email we receive as the site owner/admin? I don’t tend to tell my clients what software I use unless I have to for the purpose of them continuing updates on their own, so I wouldn’t want that showing to them when they get the emails from their users. Also having the email come from Bulgaria probably isn’t the best thing to show. 🙂
Offer to connect to own SES account (or other smtp services) and let us design anything. As a pro, I don’t need sponsored freebies, nor email sent from a service not under my control. I see this solution uses Postmark, and that’s an excellent choice. Even allowing to use own Postmark account could do. But I doubt serious developer that sells websites for real money will use this function as it is.
Let’s hope next version will bring more features, like multi-monitor support, better editing functionality, full support of bootstrap 4 classes etc. There’s a long list, even adding a nbsp or a comment are imho opinion higher in the list than adding free hosting -but no configurable sftp publishing- and form processing using a predefined branded service.September 20, 2018 at 9:47 am #12748
Thanks for the feedback!
@jo here are a few quick answers:
1 – Unfortunately setting a different “From” email address isn’t permitted by our email provider (Postmark). Even if it was, it would result in the message being detected as spam. Things have become very strict in recent years. We do set the Reply To header, so that replying to a message replies to the person that sent it.
2 3 and 4 are all great ideas. We can implement these in the next releases.
5 – I am not sure how useful notifying the user would be. Anyone else have an opinion on this?
6 – Yes, you can have an unlimited number of forms on a page/site.
7 – We did that to comply with the CAN SPAM act. You are required to include your name and address in all marketing communication. These emails aren’t marketing though, so I will review the requirements again to see if we can omit the email footer.
@chris975 Can you send us a link to your site so we can check it out? Maybe your file input was dropped outside the form?
@larsene double click to open is planned, and the chart component and autobackup are coming soon 🙂
@marrco Smart Forms is intended as a simple solution to building working forms, which is a pain point for a lot of users. Supporting external email services would significantly complicate our backend. Pros (who know what SES and SMTP is) will always be better served by rolling their own code. Our Todo list is long indeed, and we have a lot of new features coming.September 20, 2018 at 10:07 am #12750September 20, 2018 at 11:01 am #12751
@jo here are a few quick answers:
1) you could use a different domain for the from. Where there’s an empty website if a user tries to connect to the domain specified in the from. Like “email@example.com” with no relation to zine EDOD or bootstrapstudio
5) definitely not, I could insert a false email, so you would be spamming an innocent user.
7) Yes, please. Leave yours as a default, but allow users to modify it.
of course, all these additions could be sold. Basic sponsored for can be free, but a white label with a neutral from address and personalized footer is something I could pay for.
now let’s talk about the GDPR part. When users visiting a website submit a form they will load external resources and transmit their email address and data abroad. And you (it’s your postmasrk account) have access to lots of personal data. Are all parts GDPR compliant and can we access (and link to) a public GDPR certification for Zine EDOD, Postmark ecc. ?
and what data is transmitted? Are BSS license checked when creating a form? If I quit my yearly subscription will my sites still work? How long will you keep logs with my data? In Europe can.spam act is not a law, but we have the new GDPR.September 20, 2018 at 1:40 pm #12752
Thanks for the ideas! We will keep this in mind when planning our next releases.
Question: Are the email addresses saved per project or per form? I’ll play with it some more of course
to see if I can figure that out, but easier if you enlighten us on some of the finer details of it. The main
reason I ask is the 5 email limitation so I’m truly hoping this is per project.
@jo it’s clearly explained in the new License policy
4.3 Customer may register up to 5 email addresses in the system. Deleting an email address frees up a slot for another.
and Martin already specified that:
Pros (who know what SES and SMTP is) will always be better served by rolling their own code.
so any developer that has built more than 5 websites is SOL. It looks like BSS new target is amateurs building their own website via drag and drop and no previous html/css/bootstrap knowledge needed. I still think that allowing to put own SES credentials would offer a much better solution to a broader audience. Especially towards serious developers. I don’t think -even though I have a lifetime license- that Martin has to pay for my mail delivery forever, nor I want my customer to trust him. What if he just forgets to pay his Postmark bill one month, or it gets suspended? BSS is a developing tool, so giving the option to add a aws SES account would allow me to use that feature for ALL my websites, not just 5 forms. So I don’t think this feature adds value to BSS. Formspree was already quite easy to use.
/rantSeptember 20, 2018 at 3:05 pm #12755
Thanks all for the feedback on my list 🙂
Here’s my responses to some of them:
Thanks on all the others that are planned!
7. I understand that completely, but, what if we were to put ours or the client’s information there instead of what’s there now? After all, in most cases, that’s where it’s coming from in the long run, just taking the scenic route through Belgium 😛
1. I think you misunderstood my question (or I misunderstood your answer lol). I’m talking about the email that shows as the From when you get the result email after it’s submitted. It should actually say the name and email address of the person that submitted it rather than “Smart Forms” firstname.lastname@example.org. Sounds like it may already be ok to do though so I’ll not worry about it from here on lol.
- One of the great things about having a reply email to the user that fills it out is you can use it for lots of things, not just a generic reply. Some of my clients use it to gather emails for their list and when the person submits their email address to acquire something, the reply email supplies them with a link or image or whatever that is being offered. Not all items offered via email need to go through a service to supply them such as software licenses and such, some are just general informational links or document links to pdf’s which allow the client to gather email addresses while offering something in return without a lot of protective hassles.
Because of that, having a reply situation would be quite helpful. Not only that, in reply to your worry about the spam, that’s also a good point as well, but I look at it the other way, if someone is getting spammed they will contact me or remove themselves from the list via a link which I or my client will get the info for and we will then know that the person that filled out the form with that email was not legit. Use it as a check point so to speak. I’ve done reply emails for years with many of my customers, and so far haven’t had any spam issues arise as of yet. 🙂
- Most definitely I agree with Marrco here. That would be a typical scenario for having a paid subscription, even a monthly one for a couple bux or so a month to be able to have access to the features that allow us to personalize things. I look at it this way. I pay approx. $50 to $75 a year to use the form builder that I’m using now. Granted it has every bell and whistle you can think of, but … if you expand on a subscription and it has everything people need, then if the price is lower than what we pay for some of the other software it is well worth it. Good idea Marrco!
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